Ps Rubina's Action - Discussion

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bangkok_knight น้องใหม่ Joined: November 26th, 2008, 6:35 pm Posts: 17	Ps. Rubina's Actions!! This was some thoughts that I expressed couple of weeks ago when the problems started in church. Thought I would share to the international group. Hope it's not too late!! There is something I should point out believing that it's not fair for Ps. Rubina if we make judgements of her actions for sending out the 18 page email which is the truth according to her. WHY? 1. Considering Ps. Rubina's family background, education, maturity and her loyalty and sacrifice to the church I believe she tried to talk and other ways possible (as advised in the Bible) but that did not yield any results so came the email which we think was not appropriate. But how do we know if it's appropriate or not since we are not in her position and the legal responsibilities she has as the President of the Foundation. 2. Without the email this news could have circulated to every level of the church as a rumor and could have been labeled as false and people spreading the rumor could have been labeled as traitors to the church. This would have caused even more damage to the church or the people involved and the truth would not have been known. 3. Ps. Rubina sent the email and she took responsibility for it she did not hide and deny it. 4. If church people are to stumble it's not because of The Email - in the past one year people have left the church not because of the email - people have resigned from full time staff not because of the email - and many more things that happened not because of the email So why are people putting the blame on the Email?? If it is true before anyone was to support or spend offering money for sensitive issues they should have know that their actions will cause people to stumble if done in an inappropriate way. That email is the result of that action/decision. By the way so far I have not heard anyone leaving the church or forsaking God because of the email. But instead it has created awareness and concern for the church of God. What I see is people coming out to protect His church. 5. Lets not loose or shift focus. All this happened not because of the email but because people like you and me feel something is not right here and we need someone in authority to please come out and clarify so that people don't STUMBLE and the church can move in the same direction again. No one hates or wants to destroy anyone all that needs to be done is someone has to take responsibility and clarify things. 6. God has His ways to do things if He wants He can use (humans, emails, nature etc etc....) to make things known and right. So lets not limit Him and have an open heart as to the WAYS AND WHAT He uses in this case. 7. Even if outsiders attack us on this everything that will happen will happen only if God allows. Christians were persecuted and killed during the Romans but it helped to spread Christianity. So lets not panic or speculate about what the email will do to our image and let God be God. 8. If (I’m not saying it is) the email is true what we should be focusing on is how are we going to balance the accounts because end year is approaching and this is clear black and white when it comes to the law of the country. When outsiders look at us they don’t care who has spiritual authority or not all they care is how they can find fault in our system and create problems. So lets not point fingers and use the Bible for the sake of argument because the Bible is a double-edge sword and both sides can use it to support their cause. If (I’m not saying it is) money is really missing then something must be done SOON if we as members have to help offer back to balance the books "so be it" I am happy with that and I believe everyone would be too because we want to protect the church and the name of God which should be our No. 1 priority. But at the end of the day someone still has to take responsibility and clarify things. I hope I'm not being biased here and I have not mentioned any names except for Ps. Rubina because I don't think it right to blame her for doing the right thing even though in many people eyes her method was inappropriate or she did not have the authority but we don't know that until we see how God will move in this situation. We all love our church, pastors and everyone that we call brothers and sisters and we all sincerely believe that no one in Hope has any ill intentions towards the church. No matter what the end result of this situation is weather it was a misunderstanding or the truth or what ever might happen we should look at this as a lesson for us to prepare for the end times coz that’s when it gets worst spiritually, mentally and physically so lets sit tight and pray and wait and see how God moves in this situation.
December 8th, 2008, 6:17 pm
Godiva ชั้นปริญญาเอก Joined: November 12th, 2008, 5:09 pm Posts: 887	Re: Ps. Rubina's Actions!! Well said!
December 8th, 2008, 8:25 pm
Tiny ชั้นปริญญาตรี Joined: November 8th, 2008, 7:18 pm Posts: 291	Re: Ps. Rubina's Actions!! Agree with you , Bangkok_knight Only one thing the email effect to my life. It set me free!
December 10th, 2008, 12:47 pm
alfpoon น้องใหม่ Joined: December 7th, 2008, 11:30 pm Posts: 1	Re: Ps. Rubina's Actions!! anyone have the 18page email translated in english? can email to me? alfpoon@gmail.com. thanks.
December 10th, 2008, 2:35 pm
Godiva ชั้นปริญญาเอก Joined: November 12th, 2008, 5:09 pm Posts: 887	Re: Ps. Rubina's Actions!! I greatly admire her courage and strength.
December 10th, 2008, 10:14 pm
Penguin ชั้นปริญญาเอก Joined: November 3rd, 2008, 11:23 pm Posts: 930	Re: Ps. Rubina's Actions!! Right after listening to A.Rubina's speech, I strongly felt it was truth. No one ever dare enough to do like her. I could feel her bitterness yet I knew she's speaking the truth. I know she loves this church so much. It is not true that she is rebellious. If it is because she is bitter of the church leaders. Why this bitterness is so wide-spread among the church members? Her action simply sets me free. _________________ อยากฟังอะไรหนุกๆเหรอ? โอเค้ ได้เลย แต่ต้องฟังให้จบนะ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqp89bkFe8k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoPrqL8fa-I
December 10th, 2008, 10:51 pm
Godiva ชั้นปริญญาเอก Joined: November 12th, 2008, 5:09 pm Posts: 887	Re: Ps. Rubina's Actions!! Penguin wrote: Right after listening to A.Rubina's speech, I strongly felt it was truth. No one ever dare enough to do like her. I could feel her bitterness yet I knew she's speaking the truth. I know she loves this church so much. It is not true that she is rebellious. If it is because she is bitter of the church leaders. Why this bitterness is so wide-spread among the church members? Her action simply sets me free. I believe many people felt a bit skeptical when they first read the letter because the accusations sounded very, very serious. Also, we did not have enough knowledge about the financial issue at the time. But then again, some facts presented in that letter (e.g. how the whole church movement was mobilized to support certain politicians, how we were forced against our will to become campaigning staff, change our legal addresses and so on) were so undeniable and inarguable that many people became partially convinced almost immediately. It was like "where there is smoke, there is fire." And, sure enough, with all the provided evidence and one testimony after another that keep coming out, it is spreading like wild fire.
December 10th, 2008, 11:47 pm
Chani Marsh ชั้นปริญญาตรี Joined: November 13th, 2008, 1:08 pm Posts: 204	Re: Ps. Rubina's Actions!! bangkok_knight wrote: "............................................ I hope I'm not being biased here and I have not mentioned any names except for Ps. Rubina because I don't think it right to blame her for doing the right thing even though in many people eyes her method was inappropriate or she did not have the authority but we don't know that until we see how God will move in this situation. We all love our church, pastors and everyone that we call brothers and sisters and we all sincerely believe that no one in Hope has any ill intentions towards the church. No matter what the end result of this situation is weather it was a misunderstanding or the truth or what ever might happen we should look at this as a lesson for us to prepare for the end times coz that’s when it gets worst spiritually, mentally and physically so lets sit tight and pray and wait and see how God moves in this situation. SHE IS A (LADY) KNIGHT ON A WHITE HORSE!!
December 12th, 2008, 10:21 am
Godiva ชั้นปริญญาเอก Joined: November 12th, 2008, 5:09 pm Posts: 887	Re: Ps. Rubina's Actions!! Chani Marsh wrote: SHE IS A (LADY) KNIGHT ON A WHITE HORSE!! Sounds a lot like the kind-hearted Lady Godiva whose heroic action was done on a white horse as well.
December 12th, 2008, 1:40 pm
Chani Marsh ชั้นปริญญาตรี Joined: November 13th, 2008, 1:08 pm Posts: 204	Re: Ps. Rubina's Actions!! Godiva wrote: Chani Marsh wrote: SHE IS A (LADY) KNIGHT ON A WHITE HORSE!! Sounds a lot like the kind-hearted Lady Godiva whose heroic action was done on a white horse as well. Definitely!