Thursday, July 16, 2009

PN's Letter on HGI's SPLIT

Yes after much searching.. i finally found the PN's Blog.. dated 1st July 2009

Below is the Blog from Ps PN regarding HGI Leaders's decision to split from Hope

I have added my own comments in red... just for dramatic effect...

"At this stage, you may not be able to sense any difference"

"At this stage, you may not be able to sense any difference in the church you attend today, as the departure of the former HGI churches took place only a few months ago; however you will witness a huge difference in the future.( Yes true... we will see a difference.. One whose leader have missued church finance to finance Politics which was illegal in Thailand. And the leader have a mistress ... mmmmmm..... of course we will see the difference ) And the future is so crucial for us because we journey to one destination which is to be part of the Bride of Christ" ( I think Jesus would want a bride that is clean, not one who is unrepentant and unwilling to be restored properly, I think Jesus would not one a bride who preach double std - one for Himself another for the church )

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

I am writing this letter to you in response to several inquiries I have received from
Hope of God International (HGI) church members worldwide regarding the status of
the ex-HGI churches. Though the leaders of former HGI churches – now renamed as
Hope International Ministries (HIM), have clearly stated their separation from HGI
leadership via their website, they have probably not communicated much to you of
what has been going on. As they also will not have explained to you in detail about
the procedures that HIM leaders used in their decision to separate from HGI, I will
therefore take this opportunity to narrate some facts for your thoroughunderstanding
and perusal. ( Ok please note.. fact ... Everything here in his blog only tells stories.. but no physical evidence... Watch Rubina video of the serious allegation.. Prepared with evidence DOCUMENTS... and all.. here PN just talk )

From the beginning of Rubina’s serious allegations and consequent scandal that broke ( SEE , Nothing was ever mention here what the allegation was, if they are innocent why not stand before ALL THE HOPE PEOPLE instead of splitting the church ) in late October 2008, a series of interactions took place between Pastor Simon andmyself. Later on, following disagreement over how to deal with controversial issues atthat time, meetings were held in late December, 2008, between Pastor Simon, theAdvisor and other leaders in Bangkok. ( Here again vague, read my blog, with specific timeline and evidence. of proof)

After this Bangkok meeting, when issues remained in disagreement, the Advisor asked Pastor Simon and the RMCs to meet and discuss the unresolved issues, which led to another meeting that was scheduled forearly January, 2009 between the RMCs, the Advisor, myself and other leaders inBangkok.

However, instead of following the biblical approach to disagreement resolution, as
reiterated by the Advisor, in accord with Acts 15, in which the Bible and its principles
are upheld as the referee and if no agreement can be reached, there are further talks
until the leading of the Lord is clear and a consensus reached, the RMCs chose to act
otherwise. The ex HGI leaders sent a letter to the Advisor on the 24th December 2008
indicating their unilateral decision on the disputed matters. ( Let me put this clearly - PN used Simon's first letter to stat HGI support of his action. But Ps Simon came out another letter. PN was the one WHO SPLIT HOPE ... you can watch the Video of his 1st sermon in I think one of the Hope worship centre, where he told people he was going to split the church... He TOOK the tithes for himself and never gave it to Hope FOundation who rightfully was the one to hold the money. - Now who is rebellious ?? )

This letter came in spite of the fact that the Advisor had invited both Pastor Simon and the RMCs to come and discuss the unresolved matters in person in January. Anyway, regardless of their decision, the Advisor still invited them for a meeting in mid January. ( PN asked us to choose side... Mr PN or Rubina.. HGI to avoid any infighting decided to come out so that they will not involve with the reglious politics happening Thailand)

When this discussion took place on the unresolved issues, they insisted on upholding
their own previously agreed to, so called, “HGI Constitution,” or code of ethics as
their ground rules. These discussions thus rested on different platforms, resulting in
no unanimity. Even so, the Advisor (I BELIEVE Advisor is Dr.J )asked them to come back for further discussion so that everyone concerned could contemplate more on what a biblically-principledsolution should be, so that we could remain in unity and peace and proceed on.

The ex HGI leaders did not propose any further talks, but chose to write letters to each of the leaders in Bangkok. They wrote a letter to myself, removing me from my
responsibility as the President of HGI. A similar letter was sent to Pastor Somthob,
suspending his responsibility until the arbitrarily set up investigation committee
finished its investigation of scandals on financial matters. A letter was written to the
Advisor, indicating their arbitrary removal from his apostolic leadership. They did not
agree with the Advisor’s biblical standpoint on various matters. Even though they
could not find any biblically-principled fault in him, they used excuses to disqualify
the Advisor as their spiritual covering. ( Evidence ??? mmmm... Was PN so blinded... ohh.. yes.. Advisor was the brother-in-law.... how conincidental... Evidence was put in plain sight by Rubina... with FULL VIDEO disclosure... need more ... evidence... what other evidence... ??)

Their decision was made in spite of a reminder message from the Advisor that a spiritual bond can be compared to that of a natural family in relationship. ( This seems to be Mr PN and Dr J's fav line... BUT... who should we obey ?? God.. or them...I somehow seem to remember... that we were told to always obey God... esp if the Natural have broken God's law. )

Though children may want to deny their natural parents, reality speaks otherwise. The relationship cannot be cancelled as they wish. Their parents are still their parents regardless of the parents’ presence or absence from the children. ( My Spiritual parent is God... mmmm... so this relationship cannot be broken... but... I am not Dr.J or Mr PN's children.. thank God...)

All HGI leaders are well aware that Hope of God Movement came into existence due
to the call of God on the ministry of the apostle. Hope of God movement therefore
believes in the spiritual covering of the apostle ( Only if the apostle is still an apostle, even apostle can be disqualified if they sin against God - This apostle separate from his wife, he took church money to fund his ambitions and ask people to pray to idols... mmmm) , and that as long as he still avails himself to the movement ( ahhh.. no mention of lifestyle.. apparently now its leadership based on availability .. what happen to holiness ?? - Please note Dr.J have not been atending since he left Hope to pursue his other interest... ) , we should be willing to remain under his covering, andmeanwhile be willing to submit to him. The ex HGI RMCs refuse to do so, however,and have arbitrarily declared their autonomy from the Advisor’s spiritual covering. ( Notice again... leadership based on seniority not holiness.. that is why the RMC's left... )

It has been a disheartening experience for me to see what has happened to the
building up of our former HGI churches, into which the Advisor and outstanding
leaders at Hope of Bangkok have poured their lives. It cannot be denied that Hope of
God movement came into existence from a vision given to a person who was obedient
to His call and served the Lord with His anointing as an apostle. The unilateral
decision by the RMCs has caused disunity in Hope family. As God promises his
blessings through unity, I think the ex HGI leaders have done a disservice to their
members because they have eroded some essential principles of the Kingdom of God,
which are submission to authority and unity. ( Personally I think the Ex HGI leaders did the right thing.. I will definitely leave HGI if they had followed leader's who just about broke every covenant of God's commandment. - Worship idol, Misuse of Church finance, Committed adultery, Lied about the situation, )

As you may have seen on the website of Hope International Ministries (HIM), the ex
HGI RMCs and Ps Simon have started a new movement that has nothing to do with
HGI. They have appointed leaders themselves with neither the consent nor blessing of their spiritual covering. This situation, alone, would be similar to that of a care leader resigning from the covering of his/her unit leader owing to a disagreement with the unit leader, and then re-appointing himself/herself to be the new unit leader, or else choosing another care leader to that position before setting up their own new
fellowship. But, wouldn’t such actions possibly amount to “rebellion?” ( Notice all this talk about rebellion..well i can say is yes !! we are rebellious, rebellious against unholiness and the unrighteous. Woudl that be wrong ?? If my leader sins and do not repent.. i would of course leave.. I do not want to be cursed by God )

Just imagine ifHGI’s ex-leaders some time afterward let their care leaders do likewise. Then asleaders in oversight, they would be unable to implement biblical spiritual authoritywith a good conscience and their teachings on divine authority would furthermore befutile. ( Divine authority ??? _ Divine authority is not given it has to be earned... somehow Mr PN seems to think he is MR annointed who have authority to do anything without consequence.. breaking God's law and splitting the church... mmm.... )

I want to stress my standpoint in serving the Lord, which is that I firmly believe in the
principle of spiritual authority, the delegation of spiritual authority, divineappointment and spiritual covering. I joined Hope movement due to the teaching andthe leading of apostolic ministry. I think that being submissive to apostolic ministry isessential in order to receive anointing and blessing from the Lord, and I have pledged myself to do so. ( I am sure everyone knows. that authority is earned by your life. Appointment given by God can be taken away if the person sins and do not repent... ) Eg.. Saul in the bible, Solomon whose Sin caused God to tear the kigndom away from his Son. Need i say more. What bible Mr PN is reading ?? HIT ( Hope International Translation ??? )

I want to remind you of the fact that when two lines depart from the same point, the
gap between those two lines may not be noticeable at the beginning, but the further
the lines go, the gap between them becomes wider and wider. At this stage, you may
not be able to sense any difference in the church you attend today, as the departure of
the former HGI churches took place only a few months ago; however you will witness
a huge difference in the future. And the future is so crucial for us because we journey
to one destination which is to be part of the Bride of Christ, which is a church that
grows unto the maturity of Christ, abiding by all the precepts of the Lord. Since HGI
and HIM disagree on theological matters and practices, if there is no turnaround in the position of HIM, we cannot pretentiously say that our churches are the same and that our destiny will merge eventually. ( HIM believes in righteousness, integrity and holiness.. i think in the long we will see the difference... of course... Mr PN believe in " I-can-do-anything and I-am-above God's law..... there is definitely a big ideological difference... Unfortunately if i have the opportunity i will let PN know.. i do not believe in Communisim and do not like to be ruled by a dictator with no regard for God's law)

I have grave concerns for your spiritual lives because I truly believe that the Church
of Jesus Christ needs to strictly uphold the principle of divine order and authority
because without this core principle and its practices, the Church will be no different to
other institutions in this fallen world and our effort to build His Kingdom will be in
vain. ( Aiiiiii... need i say more... all talk about divine... submission .. where is God ??? So sad... )

Even though I am sad to accept their decision, I will not be disheartened. I want you
to be clear that if you want to join the church that belongs to Hope of God family,
under the spiritual covering of the founder, you need to come out to join the HGI
churches that I and HGI believers all over the world will start in the near future

I therefore remain the leader of HGI, which includes Hope of Bangkok Church and
Hope churches in 70 provinces (out of 76 provinces) in Thailand and a few churches
outside of Thailand. We will not be discouraged by the adversity of the past, but will
continue on to serve the Lord with the mission to “Build strong biblical people, tobuild strong biblical churches in Bangkok, Thailand and the rest of the world.” WOW..... finally biblical... mmmm... I can tell everyone though.. in the HGI of Mr PN.. once you are a leader .. you can use the church money as you please, find another mistress, pray to idol to advance God's kingdom, have total disregard for the country's law as long as you think you are doing right.

In short HGI leader's motto : " Leadership has its privleges and no responsibility."

I am not perfect ( mmm.. aren't we all... i wonder why he did not mention what he did ) and I am fully aware that I need the amazing grace of God to help meto be a better person in Christ. However, I will not be bogged down by the devil with
discouragement and sorrow for the past but will continue on afresh in Him. My
aspiration to be transformed into the likeness of Christ never ceases. My pledge to
teach the Word of God, to live up to it and to serve Him grows even more in spite of
the disastrous events that we have encountered. I therefore want to reassure you of mycommitment to God and to you all to carry on the responsibility God has called me to,to lead the churches in Hope family unto the maturity of Christ.

If anyone of you want to discuss or enquire about further insights, please feel free to
contact me by email at ( Wow ... recruitment drive ... i am sure someone who loves leadership position and no responsibility will love to join..)

If you want me to come to see you in person, please also let me know. I will try to plan my overseas itinerary to visit youwhenever I can. You are also welcome to meet with me when you plan to visit

Your brother in Christ ( ??? Bro in christ ??? ) ,



Anonymous said...

Sola Fide - By faith alone
Sola Gratia - By grace alone
Sola Scriptura - By Scripture alone
Solus Christus - In Christ alone
Sola Deo Gloria - Glory to God alone

Although I am not sure of the actual sequence, I have one thing to suggest to PN. It is Holy Scripture, and Holy Scripture alone that will have the SUPREME and FINAL AUTHORITY in all true churches of Christ. The above five statements were formulated in response by the Reformers against the heretical doctrines and errors of the Roman Catholic Church. Surely, we will not forget how the Bereans tested APOSTLE Paul's teaching by the Holy Scripture. Submit to "apostolic authority"? I will submit to churches and their leaders, if they are centered in Christ, not man, and hold on to the Holy Scriptures which have been handed down to us by the prophets of old and the true apostles who were appointed by Christ.

Brother in Christ.

Anonymous said...

1 Cor 5.. expel the immoral brother!