History of Hope International

Having been in Hope for almost 2 decades, i can truly say i have seen it all and heard it all. I thought i should also blog down a little bit of the Hope International History. No opinions but just facts so here goes.

As you know Dr.J or Dr Dan as he is called, studied in Monash University and that is where he met his wife and also received the Lord Jesus. He attended a church in Melbourne and well his history in on my other post.

In melbourne, he started a bible study class which included some core people, where he gave them intensive bible study classes. I believe Ps Simon was one of the beneficiary of the initial years. Story was told DrJ finished the bible 8 times in that 1 year.

When he went back to thailand, he returned to Melbourne to preach in a seminar organised by the Overseas Christian Fellowshop, i believe back then Melbourn already had a Hope Church. In this meeting, was the birth of the International churches.

At that time DrJ's teaching was revolutionary, I was not there but i have watched the video a number of times. I believe its called One man One world and One man Can change the world.

It inspired alot of people to actually join Hope, well if i am not wrong and dont quote me on it, but you might be surpirse to find that some of the Hope Pastor's used to be OCF leaders. The leaders included, Ps Chew Bong, Ps Peter Ting, Ps Andrew, Ps Simon, Ps Gordan, Ps Victor Soo, etc. Alot of the initial bunch of people that studied with Dr.J joined him in Hope Movement. And alot more during this conference. You could say HGI was birth out of the one meeting.


Hope Melbourne was the 1st International daughter church, followed by Seattle, then Singapore... a number of others started appearing around the world. But from my understanding, the key night was the night DrJ was invited to preach at the OCF seminar, the sudden exodus from leaders to Hope back then caused alot of friction with OCF. I think if my memory serves me right they have a constitution which states that no OCF leaders or members can be a Hope member, whatever it has toned down... that i am not too sure. Most new OCFs wont know, only the older seniors, that was way back in the early 1990s.

But something happened in 1996-1999, I to say the least was stunned when one after another, many of the 1st group of pastors started leaving Hope for one reason or another, lets just say that if you have been in Hope long enough, you will know who are those pastors, and if you are not then it won't affect you either,so i wont go repeating their stories. But at the time i did not understand why these initial leaders left because in truth these were good leaders and now i now better. Lets put it this way, if 1 or 2 leaders left, i would think its normal but more than 10 pastors left, well Now we now better.

The really funny thing though, when some pastor left Hope they also brought their members with them like in Seattle, KL and Melbourne. PN used to tell us, NEVER NEVER NEVER SPLIT THE CHURCH. Lets keep unity and if you want to go, go so by yourself , protect unity at all cost. You can ask PN if you don't believe.

Anyway, all these happen when Dr.J started entered politics and left the church to PN. He only preached in IPC ( International Pastor's conference) though. I had felt something was really wrong but couldn't understand why. I attributed it to the spiritual covering and now when all these happen, i finally realise.

As Dr.J's heart left God and pursued politics, the spiritual covering that was suppose to be there, started to crack. As he continued to lie in court about his knowledge of us, so did the blessing that was suppose to cover our pastor.

When PN and DrJ talk about spiritual covering, the person providing the covering must first live a life that is worthy of such annointing. If blessings are suppose to flow from Top Down, but the top are not living a life worthy of men of God. Then how are we the ones in the middle and the bottom suppose to receive the annointing of the Hope Umbrella ?

There was alot of theory in my mind back then, i could not place my finger on it. But, something was not right, we had all the right principles, understanding, the blueprint and yet most of our Hope Churches stuggle to hit 1000 with the exception of Hope Singapore of course. Singapore is a very blessed country, almost every church there is a mega church.

Initially i blamed the pastors for leaving us, but now i understand, if almost 90% of the initially 1st flock left in about the same time, it could not have been their fault. Now the secret is out, all alog when the real man behind Hope ( DrJ) was disowning us apparently for our sake. How could God give us the covering.

We have to remember, even though PN was the official Head of Hope, Dr.J was still the leader of the movement and the one directing the vision and direction of the church. PN is his brother-in-law.

Now if you ask me, maybe it has been the best decision so far for HGI to leave the covering of PN and Dr.Dan. I would hate to see more pastors leaving Hope and getting burned out. I know HGI would be better off this way.

There are alot of good leaders in HGI and i think HGI will go far under a different covering from PN and Dr.Dan.

Cindy's Prophesy on PN

A post in the biblediscuss.com discussed about the prophesy given to Hope Church by Cindy Jacob way back in I believe in 2006, in it she prophesy over PN and Rubina.

God promised many things to him and that God will prosper him.. but at the end of the prophesy Cindy gave 2 impt precursor or warning that because

1) " you were willing to unite the people "
2) "you were willing to humble yourself".

I have always learn that often prophesy of great blessings comes with conditions attached. If we are to claim the blessings we need to makes sure we also abide by the conditions set by God.

The funny things was in 2008, unity and humility was the 2 things God tested him. I believe this prophesy was sort of a pre-warning that great things could have come from the United Hope but before God could hand down his blessings he have to make sure that the people are ready to receive

What might have happen - If PN would have decided to step down, Hope will be still united and people will be encouraged to see a humble leader willing not only to admit his misdeeds but also to bear the consequence. I believe PN would have received more support and people would have respected him more. Who knows, by stepping down God could have opened also the door to a new Bank and move him into the business realm. By being full-time pastor it would have been impossible to start a bank and also pioneer the church movement. Our hope movement's workload is too demanding, i am sure most will agree.

I was actually pondering over Cindy Jacob's prophesy because I initially could not see how PN could have start a Bank. Now i see the full picture, God would have known in his forknowedge that PN would commit the things he did and no doubt, God was already preparing him for the inevitable.

Truely, if he had choosen the later path, Hope will not be where we are together, split into different camps. Well, next time when we receive God's prophesy we need to pay very close attention to it, and make sure when we are face with difficult choices, we do not the wrong one.

Below is the video of the prophesy.. oh by the way Rubina's prophesy was next after PN and his wife. Listen to what Cindy mention about Rubina as an esther, a voice for the children - it could also mean "spiritual" children.

Below is the youtube video i uploaded took me awhile to put it up ...anyway i suppose we can speculate the meaning of Cindy's prophesy. It was a topic raised in biblediscuss..

Letter from PN

Reply from Ps PN regarding the split of HGI from Ps PN. I do understand a statement from HGI have been released, but all i can say is hopefully we will make the right choice and not join the leadership of PN. There are just too many unanswered questions and though Hope church teach us to obey and submit. We only do so when it concerns issues of Administrative in nature, but not in issues that are of spiritual and legal in nature.

I still personally do no undestand the term disagreement ? There is nothing to disagree. In regards to the finance allegations it was illegal in nature and a matter that could land people in jail. The idolatory teaching is a spiritual matter, while their family issue regarding was a matter of leadership nature and also preached in 1 Tim and a matter of the 10 Commandments.

I do not understand why it would be just a simple disagreement, but i am not them so... maybe as leaders we are allowed double standards. I wonder if someone else other then them committed such allegations would their judgment be still the same and allow the alleged leaders to continue in their ministry, its just a thought but an interesting one.



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Date: Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Dear Simon and RMCs,
I am writing on behalf of the leadership of Hope of God Churches in Thailand. We have received a copy of your letter sent to DJ concerning the decision you have made to part ways with DJ already. Thus, I would like to communicate the position of the leadership team of Hope Churches in Thailand and how HGI and Hope of God Churches in Thailand should work together in the future.

First of all, I would like to confirm that the leadership of Hope of God Churches in Thailand, which includes Hope of Bangkok Church and Hope Churches in over 60 provinces of Thailand still pledge to be under the covering of DJ as the apostle of Hope Movement. Despite the fact that DJ has no official title relating to Hope Churches in Thailand and has expressed his intention to withhold the assertion of his authority and leadership over us, we still welcome his insights at any time and on any issue.

Secondly, we would like to see Hope international churches and Hope churches in Thailand serve the Lord together in unity because we believe that unity is very essential to receive the Lord’s blessings and is a solid foundation which was laid in Hope for the purpose of the effective advancement of the Kingdom of God. We hope that as you and Hope of God churches in Thailand still do not agree on a number of issues, the leadership of both sides should find time in the near future to discuss our disagreements until we can come to some agreeable conclusion for the best purposes of the Kingdom of God. Despite disagreements, I and leaders of Hope of God churches in Thailand still uphold our covenant and the unity we share among Hope churches. We believe that as both sides have pledged to learn more of God’s Way and to abide by it, the Holy Spirit is able to lead us to truly understand His Way. We would like to extend an open invitation for you to fellowship and discuss unresolved matters with us at any time in the future.

Thirdly, I would like you to warn the leaders of international churches whenever they use an unbiblical approach toward leaders. Matthew 18 should be strictly practiced. Otherwise leaders will be misled to think that such practices are appropriate, and will thus undermine biblical practices that should be upheld.

Fourthly, I would like you to be mindful of the difficult situation that has occurred among Hope churches in Thailand and thus cooperate with us in resolving them. As I have learned of the intention of some ex Hope of God churches or groups of members in Thailand to seek covering from RMCs of international churches (due to their misled belief that they share the same position as you), so I would like you to abstain from taking any of these groups to be under your covering because from our point of view, it is not so that you share the same position as they hold. Issues relating to these ex Hope churches or groups of ex Hope members in Thailand are somewhat complicated and their procedures in resolving disagreements are not biblical. Besides, some groups have attacked the leadership also. As we still love them and have grave concerns for them, we hope that God will give us good opportunities to talk to them until they are restored to biblical principles in building the Church of Christ. We are willing to explain to you more on this if you so desire.
We would like to reiterate our goodwill toward you despite our disagreements. I hope to be able to fellowship with you and discuss further on several issues at stake in the near future.

Yours in Him,

Pitsanunart Sritawong and the leadership team of Hope of God churches in Thailand

Lawsuit amount

Below is a rough estimate of the lawsuit figure. This amount is not comfirmed but is the rough approximate of the figure, foundation is trying to get back from Dr.Dan and Ps PN.

Bearing in mind this would not be the sum we give to Dr.Dan as part of his salary. I think at leasty 10% of the collections from Bangkok and HGI will go to Dr.Dan to "help" in his work

Putting it into perspective.

If assuming in International we have 200 churches and each church gives 20% to HGI . The total taking will assuming an average of $100 per church per month

The sum on HGI collection would be $20000. If as per HGI agreement 20% of collection goes to founder it would be $4000 per month minimum of HGI money or at least 48K annual going to Dr. Dan

Law suit amount - In the thai discussion and from the video of allegation. The amount foundation is trying to get back would be as high as 60-80 million baht.

Which is around 2 million USD give or take depending on the exchange rate, which would otherwise had been Church money.


* I will also try to translate some of the thai post and provide a full translated version of Rubina's Statement. Which was shorten in the one that was presented in english. The original statment had more facts and also timeline. Hopefully it wont take too long

A picture speaks a thousand words

Attached is a picture of the current US president being prayed for. A big difference in Thailand