This is in thai but yes there was previously a youtube video by PN on the 18page statement. Unless you can speak thai or someone who can. I shall not comment on his reasons as its too long. To explain in english, unless of course people want to translate.
Showing posts with label Pastor PN. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Pastor PN. Show all posts
Saturday, February 14, 2009
Friday, February 6, 2009
Cindy's Prophesy on PN
A post in the biblediscuss.com discussed about the prophesy given to Hope Church by Cindy Jacob way back in I believe in 2006, in it she prophesy over PN and Rubina.
God promised many things to him and that God will prosper him.. but at the end of the prophesy Cindy gave 2 impt precursor or warning that because
1) " you were willing to unite the people "
2) "you were willing to humble yourself".
I have always learn that often prophesy of great blessings comes with conditions attached. If we are to claim the blessings we need to makes sure we also abide by the conditions set by God.
The funny things was in 2008, unity and humility was the 2 things God tested him. I believe this prophesy was sort of a pre-warning that great things could have come from the United Hope but before God could hand down his blessings he have to make sure that the people are ready to receive
What might have happen - If PN would have decided to step down, Hope will be still united and people will be encouraged to see a humble leader willing not only to admit his misdeeds but also to bear the consequence. I believe PN would have received more support and people would have respected him more. Who knows, by stepping down God could have opened also the door to a new Bank and move him into the business realm. By being full-time pastor it would have been impossible to start a bank and also pioneer the church movement. Our hope movement's workload is too demanding, i am sure most will agree.
I was actually pondering over Cindy Jacob's prophesy because I initially could not see how PN could have start a Bank. Now i see the full picture, God would have known in his forknowedge that PN would commit the things he did and no doubt, God was already preparing him for the inevitable.
Truely, if he had choosen the later path, Hope will not be where we are together, split into different camps. Well, next time when we receive God's prophesy we need to pay very close attention to it, and make sure when we are face with difficult choices, we do not the wrong one.
Below is the video of the prophesy.. oh by the way Rubina's prophesy was next after PN and his wife. Listen to what Cindy mention about Rubina as an esther, a voice for the children - it could also mean "spiritual" children.
Below is the youtube video i uploaded took me awhile to put it up ...anyway i suppose we can speculate the meaning of Cindy's prophesy. It was a topic raised in biblediscuss..
God promised many things to him and that God will prosper him.. but at the end of the prophesy Cindy gave 2 impt precursor or warning that because
1) " you were willing to unite the people "
2) "you were willing to humble yourself".
I have always learn that often prophesy of great blessings comes with conditions attached. If we are to claim the blessings we need to makes sure we also abide by the conditions set by God.
The funny things was in 2008, unity and humility was the 2 things God tested him. I believe this prophesy was sort of a pre-warning that great things could have come from the United Hope but before God could hand down his blessings he have to make sure that the people are ready to receive
What might have happen - If PN would have decided to step down, Hope will be still united and people will be encouraged to see a humble leader willing not only to admit his misdeeds but also to bear the consequence. I believe PN would have received more support and people would have respected him more. Who knows, by stepping down God could have opened also the door to a new Bank and move him into the business realm. By being full-time pastor it would have been impossible to start a bank and also pioneer the church movement. Our hope movement's workload is too demanding, i am sure most will agree.
I was actually pondering over Cindy Jacob's prophesy because I initially could not see how PN could have start a Bank. Now i see the full picture, God would have known in his forknowedge that PN would commit the things he did and no doubt, God was already preparing him for the inevitable.
Truely, if he had choosen the later path, Hope will not be where we are together, split into different camps. Well, next time when we receive God's prophesy we need to pay very close attention to it, and make sure when we are face with difficult choices, we do not the wrong one.
Below is the video of the prophesy.. oh by the way Rubina's prophesy was next after PN and his wife. Listen to what Cindy mention about Rubina as an esther, a voice for the children - it could also mean "spiritual" children.
Below is the youtube video i uploaded took me awhile to put it up ...anyway i suppose we can speculate the meaning of Cindy's prophesy. It was a topic raised in biblediscuss..
Monday, January 26, 2009
The main website for Hope Bangkok Church
I have been wondering why the hope of Bangkok Church has no www. and instead was http://hopeofbangkok.com
Then i found out that the original main page was http://www.wehopefamily.net/ . Its prob one of those main page they have hijacked and used. As i notice some HGI churches using this webpage link on their website.
But when clicked on the above website brings you to "PN's NEW" Church.
Then i found out that the original main page was http://www.wehopefamily.net/ . Its prob one of those main page they have hijacked and used. As i notice some HGI churches using this webpage link on their website.
But when clicked on the above website brings you to "PN's NEW" Church.
Wednesday, January 21, 2009
The difference between Ps PN and Western Pastors
Normally when a leader in high position sin against the Lord. They often have to completely give up ministry so that can be restored and be accountable to. Even if a person have repented, God will forgive but there are always consequence to their action - David, Solomon even Abraham in the bible teach us that Sin often disqualify us and we will no longer hold any authority until such a time their lives have been proven true.
Of course we are all sinners but there are some sins which must be avoided at all cost and that is SIN stated in the 10 commandments and which in some countries are laws like murder and adultery, lying
Here are pastors below who made the difficult call
1. Pastor Michael Guglielmucci admitted to his cancer being a hoax duly step down to be restored. He mentioned that he cannnot live with his consicious
2. Ted Haggard step down from ministry because of infidelity
3. Geoff Bullock step down and wrote a book called Hands of Grace after his affair was exposed
4. Jiimy Swaggart left ministry due to money issue
5. Zachery Tims
6. Rev. Paul Barnes
And... others... who have done the crime and did the time....
Now.. in Thailand... Ps PN after his expose to his affairs and money issue ( Video evidence is available from Hope foundation)
1. Split the church ask people to be loyal and support him
2. Admitted to his affair but said that he already repented and Dr.J have forgiven him
Is this an act of a Man of God ? If he was in a western country, the board would have fired him straight off no question ask. Yet he is allowed to gather support and start a new church ? Seriously something is really wrong here.... Do people follow God or Leaders ?
Of course we are all sinners but there are some sins which must be avoided at all cost and that is SIN stated in the 10 commandments and which in some countries are laws like murder and adultery, lying
Here are pastors below who made the difficult call
1. Pastor Michael Guglielmucci admitted to his cancer being a hoax duly step down to be restored. He mentioned that he cannnot live with his consicious
2. Ted Haggard step down from ministry because of infidelity
3. Geoff Bullock step down and wrote a book called Hands of Grace after his affair was exposed
4. Jiimy Swaggart left ministry due to money issue
5. Zachery Tims
6. Rev. Paul Barnes
And... others... who have done the crime and did the time....
Now.. in Thailand... Ps PN after his expose to his affairs and money issue ( Video evidence is available from Hope foundation)
1. Split the church ask people to be loyal and support him
2. Admitted to his affair but said that he already repented and Dr.J have forgiven him
Is this an act of a Man of God ? If he was in a western country, the board would have fired him straight off no question ask. Yet he is allowed to gather support and start a new church ? Seriously something is really wrong here.... Do people follow God or Leaders ?
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